McLarens rear wing.

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I read earlier that Ferrari had been contacted and said they wouldnt be pursuing the matter any further?

I do love all this when teams get to see all the other cars, the way the designers interpret and twist the rules is brilliant!

March 04, 2010, 10:06:24 PM

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What you read was that McLaren had contacted Ferrari about it and Ferrari said they had not contested the wing. That statement was from McLaren. It does not say 'when' McLaren contacted Ferrari and simply states that McLaren are 'unaware' of any action from Ferrari.
Doesn't mean Ferrari are not acting against it now though. Very clever statement writing by McLaren there.

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March 05, 2010, 11:17:56 AM

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Charlie is going to see it today.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81858

March 05, 2010, 03:01:40 PM

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I still cant believe the engine cover on that car actually connects to the rear wing, i hope they ban things like this for next year.

March 05, 2010, 03:52:13 PM

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Why do you think it should be banned? Unless it increases the amount of turbulent air behind the car, I can't see anything wrong with it.

March 05, 2010, 04:23:41 PM

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I still cant believe the engine cover on that car actually connects to the rear wing, i hope they ban things like this for next year.

to be honest Redbull started the whole "attach the anvil fin to the rear wing" thing last year with Force India following suit. it was done to stop the anvil fin flexing under side winds. Mclaren have just took it a step further.
thats the problem with F1 once an idea has been put out there every team then copise the idea to see if its good and if so they work on improving it. if the FIA say its legal then its legal. to be honest when i first saw the fins last year i thought they are an eyesore but it seems every team has jumped on the bandwagon.

March 05, 2010, 04:53:10 PM

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As im now aerodynamic guy i cant say if they do affect the air behind the cars, i would only like to see them go due to the aesthetic reasons, i just see that teams have exploited an area that was never meant to have anything in and thats why there doesnt seen to be restrictions on the said area. I'm not saying teams are doing anything wrong just the fact that i dont like it.
I also dont like the idea that it now attaches (seems molded to) to the rear wing, because it makes it no longer 2 areas of the car, they have joined it making it no longer a rear wing in the conventional sense but just a great aero piece that starts behind the drivers head and goes all the way to the rear of the car.
I thought the new regs were to take cars back to the fundamental design of F1 cars, a front wing, a middle section and a rear wing with no sticky on bits, now they failed in pretty much every area as those clever sods in F1 have got round them and also created new areas to exploit.

March 05, 2010, 08:40:08 PM

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As im now aerodynamic guy i cant say if they do affect the air behind the cars, i would only like to see them go due to the aesthetic reasons, i just see that teams have exploited an area that was never meant to have anything in and thats why there doesnt seen to be restrictions on the said area. I'm not saying teams are doing anything wrong just the fact that i dont like it.
I also dont like the idea that it now attaches (seems molded to) to the rear wing, because it makes it no longer 2 areas of the car, they have joined it making it no longer a rear wing in the conventional sense but just a great aero piece that starts behind the drivers head and goes all the way to the rear of the car.
I thought the new regs were to take cars back to the fundamental design of F1 cars, a front wing, a middle section and a rear wing with no sticky on bits, now they failed in pretty much every area as those clever sods in F1 have got round them and also created new areas to exploit.

i have to agree with what you say about they look awful but it was not Mclaren who had the idea of the anvil fin. infact i think it was Redbull who introduced it and now they are moaning about something they exploited, introduced and used.

the thing i find a little annoying is that these fins have been used all last year and its only now you you and others moan about how Mclaren have developed it and found a way to make it more efficient.

we all know with F1 once something is invented it cant be uninvented and unless the FIA see a reason for it to be illegal then there is nothing you can do to stop teams developing it to its fullest effeient potential regardless of the ract they make the cars look ugly.

March 05, 2010, 09:47:26 PM

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Re: McLarens rear wing.

Yup. Every time we see a new part these days, everyone seems to want it banned. Are the teams to stop being innovative and pushing the envolope? Should they just give up the chase?

March 05, 2010, 09:59:14 PM

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I havnt singled Mclaren out once, i dont like this on all cars not just the Mclaren, and i didnt like it last year either so this is not a new thing, for me anyway. I think why this has become more of matter as now for me is its connecting to the wing like i've said earlier, it joins 2 parts of the car that are meant to be single entities.

And of course they shouldnt 'give up the chase' its there job to find these areas and exploit them i accept and love that about the sport, just like the diffuser issue, but that doesnt mean it should remain in the sport, again just like the diffuser issue, it was exploited on technical terms and now will be banned from next year with the on going battle between the FIA and the designers to keep the sport in check.

March 06, 2010, 02:06:37 AM

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Quote from: Lapworth on March 05, 2010, 09:59:14 PM

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I havnt singled Mclaren out once, i dont like this on all cars not just the Mclaren, and i didnt like it last year either so this is not a new thing, for me anyway. I think why this has become more of matter as now for me is its connecting to the wing like i've said earlier, it joins 2 parts of the car that are meant to be single entities.

And of course they shouldnt 'give up the chase' its there job to find these areas and exploit them i accept and love that about the sport, just like the diffuser issue, but that doesnt mean it should remain in the sport, again just like the diffuser issue, it was exploited on technical terms and now will be banned from next year with the on going battle between the FIA and the designers to keep the sport in check.

you say its an issue for you now as the fin is joining 2 parts of the car !!!

the thing is its not a "new" idea to join the fin to the rear wing like i said earlier Redbull were the first to use the fin and the first to join it to the rear wing. have a look at the pic in this artical dated 13th march 2009.

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/people/312847/red-bull-innovate-again.html

you can clearly see the "shark fin" attached to the rear wing nearly a full year before before you decided it was a big issue for you. like i said earlier i agree the fins make the car look ugly but there isno getting away from the fact that its took you a year and a complaint artical from the inventor of the fin itself for you to voice an opinion that they should be banned now when Mclaren have advanced an area that other teams have overlooked, can you see how it can be seen as singling Mclaren.

maybe you didnt know that the original Redbull shark fin was attached to the rear wing (hard to believe as you have watched a full season of F1 last year where it was raced), if so then im sorry for dragging the point on, but my point is is that its not a new idea to join the fin to the rear wing.

March 06, 2010, 08:38:55 AM

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If im being honest i actually thought the Redbulls wing stopped just short of the rear wing so that was a nice picture to see, as you want to keep dragging up the Mclaren wing though it has quite clearly took it to the next level by moulding it into the rear wing forming 1 piece and not 2 pieces bolted together or in close proximity of each other, or so the pictures suggest.

March 06, 2010, 11:58:49 AM

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Quote from: Lapworth on March 06, 2010, 08:38:55 AM

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If im being honest i actually thought the Redbulls wing stopped just short of the rear wing so that was a nice picture to see, as you want to keep dragging up the Mclaren wing though it has quite clearly took it to the next level by moulding it into the rear wing forming 1 piece and not 2 pieces bolted together or in close proximity of each other, or so the pictures suggest.

im not being funny but the Redbull Shark fin looks pretty much moulded into the wing plane to me in the link i posted.

i totally agree Mclaren have taken it a step further and advanced it to the extreme so much so that it looks like other teams have overlooked how to exploit this seemingly simple fin and how much time it can save you on track. i think its annoying Redbull that a team has taken their original idea and exploited it in a way they themselves never seem possible or never thought of doing hence the vocal complaint.
we all know in F1 once something like this is invented its hard to stop them being taken to the extreme of development unless the FIA step in and ban them. the DD was more radical than this fin exploit and it was deemed legal, Mclaren have also supposedly checked that the fin is legal already so i cant see it being banned although with Mclaren and the FIA anything is possible.

March 06, 2010, 12:11:44 PM

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