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Read January 29, 2010, 12:29:40 AM #0
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Cancel Haiti's Debt petition

There's a new petition on the Number 10 Downing St website.

Sign up! But even more importantly - tell your friends, put it on Facebook, and get them to tell their friends.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CancelHaitisDebt/

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Read January 29, 2010, 07:13:44 AM #1
Skies

Re: Cancel Haiti's Debt petition

Haiti is a typical banana republic. We give them aid, the rich nobs pocket the lot whilst the poor starve.

Which is why I haven't given them, or any other similar country a penny.

If they want help then they should either help themselves or get someone to come in and do it for them, for a price of course.
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Read January 29, 2010, 09:58:45 AM #2
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They freed themselves from slavery, then were forced to pay off their former masters, which left them in crushing debt. The burden of the debt ensures that lots of money that goes into Haiti goes back out as interest payments (to the rich nobs) while, like you say, the poor starve.

How is a country supposed to build a sustainable infrastructure to pull itself out of poverty when all its money is taken by richer countries to service an unfair debt?

The cancellation of the debt will be one step on a long road. Other steps along that road will be reducing corruption and ensuring Haitians can do something for themselves. Do you really think people want international aid agencies / NGOs dishing out very basic food and medical care, or do you think they'd prefer to buy it with money they'd earnt? I know which I'd prefer.
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Read January 29, 2010, 01:35:00 PM #3
Skies

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Their debt is $1 billion. They've had more than this given to them in aid in the last few decades by the yanks alone. Let alone the rest of the world giving them cash.

When I say the rich are taking everything I don't mean other countries, I mean the ruling class in Haiti. They are living it up whilst the poor starve. All cancelling their debt would do is make the rich richer. It wouldn't help the poor.

Just like all this food and water that is mounting up under US armed guard isn't actually getting to the people who really need it.

The thing the people of Haiti really need right now is protection from John Travolta and his fucked up Co$ nutter friends!
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Read January 29, 2010, 03:30:55 PM #4
Lewser

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Fuck that

Charity begins at home, why should we let the mud pie eaters off the debt when the government are letting 40,000 Britons die through lack of investment in drugs and we have pensioners freezing to death because they can't pay heating bills

 

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/154368...osting-too-much


TENS of thousands of lives are being put at risk because of a controversial decision to save money by refusing patients a new heart disease pill costing just £2 a day, medical experts claimed last night.

Doctors say that in the first year alone the drug – called Dronedarone – could help more than 40,000 heart victims for whom no other treatments have worked so far.

Dozens of doctors have written to the watchdog NICE, which decides which drugs can be prescribed on the NHS, to protest at its decision to withhold the potentially life-saving drug on cost grounds. Conservative MP John Maples has tabled a Parliamentary motion raising concern at the decision and he has the support of politicians from all parties.

One signatory, Mark Hunter, Liberal Democrat MP for Cheadle, said last night: “It won’t be the first time that NICE has got guidelines wrong in the opinion of the British public.

“At the end of the day, Dronedarone represents a huge step forward for heart patients. It’s a breakthrough drug and if it can benefit all these people, then it’s got to be worthy of a reassessment by NICE.” The MPs are calling on NICE – the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence – to permit patients, carers and health professionals to give evidence at its second appraisal meeting over the drug next month.
Experts say use of the drug would help tens of thousands of people who suffer from a condition called atrial fibrillation. Caused by an abnormal heartbeat, it puts patients at serious risk of suffering strokes and heart attacks.

Existing drugs have proved ineffective for many of the million-plus sufferers in the UK and can also have horrendous side effects, including damage to the lungs, liver and kidneys.

Dronedarone is the first new drug for the condition introduced to the market in more than 25 years and is widely available in Europe and the US. But in a provisional decision made before Christmas, NICE said the drug had not been shown to be cost effective.

Some of the current drugs in use cost just a couple of pounds per month to prescribe, compared to Dronedarone which costs around £2 a day – or £67 a month.
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Read January 29, 2010, 05:55:52 PM #5
Tooly Dilly

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I, too, could not give a  censored about giving 'aid' to Haiti. Has anyone noticed the state of our roads since the cold snap!? There's potholes here there and everywhere; causing a big hazard to bikers and causing damage to cars.  banghead And as CT pointed out, there are pensioners freezing to death, homeless people on the streets, etc.
Haiti is NOT our problem, and I resent every penny that is sent there by Britain.   cussing


whats a silverstone?
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Read January 30, 2010, 12:14:11 AM #6
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Skies - you have a point, but I think that simply carrying on as they are at the moment will not improve matters for them, and the cancellation of debt could have positive effects for the general population. It would not be money sent from the UK. It would be cancellation of debt from the IMF, the World bank, Venezuela and Taiwan mainly.

'The Express' is probably as useful as looking down the toilet bowl after a particularly heavy evacuation to get your news. Although at least in the toilet bowl that shit is real.
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Read January 30, 2010, 09:59:00 AM #7
Lewser

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Far more effective long term would be to send B-52's packed with chemical weapons over Haiti and wipe out the population

It would save us money which could be spent on UK causes and it would at the same time put an end to the wretched existence of the Haitians, what sort of life do they have ? middle class in Haiti is having your own mud hut as opposed to sleeping on the streets and living off mud pies, those that died in the quake are the lucky ones, the rest just have to sit around for the next natural disaster to come along and wipe out the island again, far better off both from an economic and humanitarian point of view wiping out Haiti as opposed to rebuilding it and letting British WW2 heroes freeze to death

Haiti contributes nothing to the world, there is no products that it sells that can contribute to any GDP

Best off wiping out as opposed to rebuilding Haiti
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Read January 30, 2010, 07:10:54 PM #8
Platen Glass

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I wonder if cancelling their debt would do anything. Have they actually been paying it back anyway?
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Read February 01, 2010, 04:08:15 AM #9
Oonga Boonga

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CT,
I have applauded your efforts on Atlas on this topic, but you really should add your last post here(in full) to that thread.
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Read February 01, 2010, 07:44:24 PM #10
Platen Glass

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Far more effective long term would be to send B-52's packed with chemical weapons over Haiti and wipe out the population

It would save us money which could be spent on UK causes and it would at the same time put an end to the wretched existence of the Haitians, what sort of life do they have ? middle class in Haiti is having your own mud hut as opposed to sleeping on the streets and living off mud pies, those that died in the quake are the lucky ones, the rest just have to sit around for the next natural disaster to come along and wipe out the island again, far better off both from an economic and humanitarian point of view wiping out Haiti as opposed to rebuilding it and letting British WW2 heroes freeze to death

Haiti contributes nothing to the world, there is no products that it sells that can contribute to any GDP

Best off wiping out as opposed to rebuilding Haiti

Twat. I think maybe wiping you out would be the kindest thing. anyone
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Read February 01, 2010, 07:48:24 PM #11
Sgt.Pepper

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CT putting Bono to shame there with his charitable thoughts....
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Read February 01, 2010, 08:15:45 PM #12
Tooly Dilly

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But CT you said on here that you donated £40 to the 2004 Tsunami appeal... Wink


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Read February 01, 2010, 08:54:01 PM #13
Oonga Boonga

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CT putting Bono to shame there with his charitable thoughts....
lol1 lol1 lol1
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Read February 02, 2010, 11:41:28 AM #14
Lewser

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But CT you said on here that you donated £40 to the 2004 Tsunami appeal... Wink

I said that to get debate going, it never happened, I only ever give to animal charities, my local hospital and an annual donation to a cancer charity

Charity begins at home, not a penny of my money ever goes abroad except PETA

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